What a Deal---fight offer in Germany:
Thanks but, NO Thanks!
by Sue TL Fox
April 22, 2009
(APR 22) This week WBAN was contacted
by Nicole Woods, of Georgia, USA, in regards to a fight offer she
received in Germany for May 30, 2009. Woods shared some "Behind the
Scenes" to negotiating a potential fight out of the United States.
According to Woods, she was first contacted by email from Mario
Guedes (trainer/manager of Jessica Balogun). Woods told WBAN that
she received that first contact from Guedes on March 30, 2009
[supported by email], about a fight on September 5th or November
21st, against Jessica Balogun. In this same email Guedes also
suggests a fight before the fight with Balogun. He tells her, the
fight would not be against a "strong" girl, and a "sure victory for
her", and that it would introduce Woods as the next opponent of
Jessica Balogun in a title fight. Guedes indicates that she would
come to Germany alone.
On March 31, 2009, she receives another email from Guedes. He gives
her info about the venue that would be considered a "small' venue
for the fight on May 30th. Guedes tells her again, that the first
fight offers her a "sure victory" , and a promise for a second
fight, a title fight against Balogun. He offers Woods a whopping
$1500.00 that INCLUDES her paying out of that 1500.00, two airline
tickets from the USA to Germany. The cost for the tickets were close
to $1,000. Woods would walk away with about $500 for a six-round
bout! He reassures Woods that the title fight would be for more
money. Guedes ends the email saying that Germany is also in "crisis"
due to US Bankers.
Woods responds to Guedes in an email saying the following: " Mario,
that would be a good idea for me to come against a different
opponent first. It would help ticket sales. We did that when I went
to Uruguay and sold out the fight 7000 people. I do not feel
comfortable coming without my trainer but I would take less in pay
for him to come with me as long as it is supposed to be a victory. I
will fight a 6 rounder for 1200 dollars as long as I can have 2
tickets to bring my trainer.
(Apparently Woods did not understand that Guedes was offering her
only about $500 to fight, because she would have to buy the two
airline tickets with the $1500.)
On April 1, 2009, Woods receives an email from Guedes, where he is
suggesting three women boxers who he feels is an easy win for her.
He sends in links from BoxRec.com of these three apparent "easy"
opponents. [WBAN will spare the embarrassment of those women boxers
he listed and his comments about those boxers].
On April 3, 2009, Guedes contacts Woods. He tells her that he will
pay the $1200 for the purse and get an airline ticket for her. He
tells her that it would be better for her to "come alone". He
reassures her that she will "Win this fight for sure". He tells her
that it is his "big" interest that she win, due to the fact that he
has a title defense set up for Jessica Balogun (his boxer) after May
30. Guedes asks Woods, "You need every money, or not? I give you
1200 USD including one ticket for you--if you come alone---so you
have more money for you!"
In another correspondence this date, Woods writes to Guedes:
"Mario, with all due respect. It is okay for men to travel to
different countries by themselves but it is not okay for woman to do
the same thing. It is not about trusting you and knowing you. It is
about my safety first. I have been to Germany before by myself and
it was not a good experience for me at all, and I will never do it
again. The question is how can we still make this work. I am
suggesting 2 things either you can give me your credit card number
and I can buy the tickets from here which are cheaper. Or I will
fight a 6 rounder for 800 dollars and 2 plane tickets. It should all
equal out to the same thing. I am not sure how the computer system
runs out your way but if you go to priceline.com that is where I
found the cheapest tickets. I really want to make this fight and its
not about the money. Its about making sure that I am safe. I don't
believe that you would send your daughter, niece or Jessica [Balogun]
for that matter to a country where they do not speak the language
with people that they do not know and feel absolutely confident and
safe. I am also sure that their families would not feel comfortable.
Hopefully we can still make the fight, like I said I will give up
some money on my part to make sure I am safe. Thanks' Nicole"
After Woods wrote this, Guedes asked Woods for the link to the
priceline site to look up the airline tickets. He expressed
understanding that she did not want to come alone.
On April 4, 2009 from Guedes, he then asks Woods if "his partner"
can call her by phone. She agrees to do that. Woods is called by
Ahmed Dohmen. According to her statement about this phone call,
Woods told WBAN the following, " I spoke to his partner Ahmed Dohmen
and he tried to convince me that I should come by myself. Then he
told me that I wanted too much money which in fact I was only
getting 500.00 dollars. The second fight which is a 10 round
bout---he wanted to give me less than 1500 dollars and he said that
I wanted to get rich. Since when was 1500 dollars "rich" I
On April 6, 2009, Woods tells Guedes in an email that she wants
$4,000 and two airline tickets to fight Jessica Balogun 10 rounds,
for a title, in the September or November date.
On April 7, 2009, Guedes writes to Woods, and he asks her what is
wrong with her. He talks about what he is doing for her with the
first easy win, and that she is asking more than what the next
opponent of Jessica get less than 50% of the money that Woods wants.
He asks Woods, "Could it be you don't know what's going on in the
world? The whole world has financial problems, no work, etc. That's
because of the crimes of the US bankers! If you do not come down to
earth, I don't negotiate again with you. I'm sorry, but I'm too busy
for such jokes!"
Woods told WBAN that she then did not hear from Guedes for about a
week, when after she noticed on BoxRec that the opponent had fallen
out, that she was re-contacted about the above mentioned fights.
On April 20, 2009, Guedes sends yet another email to Woods, baffling
Woods with what he had to say.
"Nicole, look, I asked you if you'll buy the tickets for you and
your trainer, but you don't trust me, so you don't buy them. Then
we've make a purse for 1500USD including the tickets for a sure win,
then you wanted 1700USD. You're changing all that we spoke before. I
must pay for a girl who fight against you, this fight brings me
nothing, is only good for you, so you have a win and fights twice!
You're wrong. There are some girls who would come alone to Germany
for the first fight! I heard about that's difficult to get fights
for girls in the US, but you don't want to fight here, or you want
much money, so you don't fight anymore! I don't asked you to come
alone for the title fight only for the bout where you win! Now I
planned in other ways. I believe that at the end of this year much
things change, coz of the situation in the world, then the promoters
pay less money then now! If you don't change your thinking you're to
late to get some money, take your chance now! Jessica is 20 years
old, we've very much time, you don't! I tell you now, if you're
willing to fight here in Germany then ok, but only to my conditions!
Would you're interested to come for sparring?"
Woods responds to Guedes over this email:
" In all honesty, I am trying to be as professional as possible, but
some of the remarks you are making to me do not sit well with me.
Yes I am thinking of the money side and if you were not we would not
still be having this conversation. I would like the opportunity but
by no means am I desperate for a fight that I would risk my own
safety for it. That's not going to happen. I do not care how many
names you throw at me. At this point I don't even know what the deal
was supposed to be. Either way this is a business. I do not believe
that you will get any logical female from the US to agree to the
terms that you are asking. I am trying my best to work this out with
you but you do not want to negotiate. I am not coming without my
coach. I don't care whether it is a guaranteed win or not and
frankly I believe that you should stop asking women to come to
Germany by themselves. It is not very professional. If you want to
try negotiating again we can but I do not want to waste my time or
yours if not good luck on your search. Thanks, Nicole Woods"
Woods then writes to WBAN with the following: "I don't know why I am
getting the feeling that he is trying to strong arm me but something
is not right about this. You would think that I was making some real
money for this fight. He is talking about 1500 including the plane
tickets. So the cheapest I found the tickets for was 500 dollars. So
that would mean that I would only make 500 dollars for a 6 round
fight. So I asked for 1700 dollars to at least compensate me at a
little over 100 dollars a round. Then insult to injury he asked me
to come for sparring enlighten me. Am I over reacting?"
Our answer to her question: No, No.....Woods, WBAN does not
think you are over-reacting....
Source/NIcole Woods - excerpts from emails