Dan: How did you become interested in boxing?
Kathy: I attended a sports camp when I was 11
years old, and boxing was one of the sports offered. I boxed for about
two years then picked it up again after I moved to Thunder Bay.
Dan: Do you have any kind of martial arts
training, like Karate, kickboxing, etc?
Kathy: None whatsoever.
Dan: So you went straight into boxing?
Kathy: Yes! Straight into boxing.
Dan: You have an eighteen year old brother and
a sixteen year old sister. Do either of them box?
Dan: Do they ever come to your bouts?
Kathy: They went to my one in Atlantic City, and
that's about it…so far.
Dan: Do either of your parents worry about you
Dan: Your mother doesn't worry?
Kathy: No. My grandmother did more than my mother.
My grandmother was more of the "worry wart".
Dan: You have quite a distinguished career as an
amateur. You were 25-6. That's quite a lot of bouts. You must really
believe in the amateur programs … that that's the best way to enter the
Kathy: Oh, definitely! I think that's the best way
to gain the experience … it's through the amateurs … and now there's
more women involved and so you're getting the competition and the
opportunity to fight a lot of different people. It's definitely, the way
Dan: A lot of unqualified individuals, like
winners of "tough women" contests, kick boxers, and other
incompetents, are able to obtain a license as a "professional"
just by purchasing a license.
Kathy: Yeah, I think it's fifty dollars.
Dan: So, would you be in favor of some requirement
that a person have some amateur boxing experience before being issued a
license to box professionally?
Kathy: I would be in favor of that definitely. I
think some of the girls, like you say, get asked to box.… Some one
says, "hey, You want to make some money?" And they say
"sure!" but they don't know what to expect when they get in
there. And most of the time these girls are outmatched and outclassed.
Whereas, if you've been in the amateurs, you know
what to expect when you get in there. Plus the fact that not wearing a
headgear, is a big thing. You know, I still get asked a lot, "do
you wear a headgear" when you box. Most people just don't realize
that as a pro, you don't wear a headgear.! I think a lot of girls that
are getting into it are getting in there, not knowing that! That they
are getting in there with pretty much no protection, and not knowing how
to defend themselves. And, they are pretty much just getting hit and
smacked around. So that I think that getting some amateur experience
should be a definite criteria before becoming a professional.
Dan: Would you also like to see that requirement
include people who have a martial arts or kick boxing experience, be
required to spend a minimum amount of time in the amateurs… a minimum
number of amateur fights, like five or ten, maybe?
Kathy: I think so. I definitely think so! I just
don't see how it could hurt! What could it possibly hurt? I don't see
why anybody wouldn't want to! It isn't gonna hurt you! If anything it's
just going to help you!
Dan: If two women of roughly equal athletic
ability began boxing at the same time, and one went into the amateurs,
and the other purchased a license, and became an instant pro; after one
year, they fought … would you agree the one who fought amateur would
probably have an edge?
Kathy: I would think so. I definitely think so.
Dan: And their self confidence would be better
also, not having been beat up as much.
Kathy: Yes! I would think so. And there's a lot
out there now for the amateur. I can see in the past where there wasn't
much out there. But, now, amateur is growing. You know, you are getting
more of the international competition;, so, why not go amateur? You're
getting trips to Europe; you're getting to fight other European females;
and, if you think about it, the Europeans are getting more involved.
And, the Americans are getting more involved. So, pretty
soon, it will be an Olympic sport-or at least demonstration. So, if you
jump straight into the pros; you are missing all of that!
Dan: What would you tell someone who wants to know
"how can I get into boxing?" What would you tell them?
Kathy: I would tell them to contact a gym in their
area, that offers boxing and talk to the coach and tell them what you
want out of it. If you just want to do it for training, or if you want
to compete ... and find out if there is amateur boxing in your area.
Where you could begin your amateur stint for a year or so … and if you
like it and are doing well as an amateur, then turn professional. You
know, a lot of girls don't realize how much dedication is needed to
become a good boxer. And, they just about the publicity, or the money,
and that's why they are focusing on getting involved in the pros, and
they aren't really doing just because they want to do it … and that's
another reason why I think they ought to do the amateurs first…
Dan: How does boxing effect your social life, etc…
Kathy: (laughing) Yeah, I don't have much of a
social life … between my career as a police officer, that pretty much
takes up most of my time. Yeah … it's hard. I put a lot of time into my
training, and so when I'm not boxing, I'm just home relaxing because I'm
so busy doing things all of the time … but, you know, I figure it’s a
small price to pay, to achieve what I want to achieve … I'm not gonna be
boxing all of my life … I figure if I have to put my life on hold for a
little while, I can do that … I don't mind it, except for the holidays … you
know sometimes I don't get to take holidays, because I am busy training
for a fight … But I enjoy it …
Dan: You work full time as a police officer. Is
that a hindrance? If it were possible would you like to be able to spend
full time on your boxing?
Kathy: I think if I could afford not to work full
time, I would do that. (box full time) And focus full time on my boxing.
But, I can't afford to do that right now … (voice trailing off) I think
I make the most of it right now, because I do have to work full time … and
my trainer understands that. But, that does make hard because I have to
train at ten o'clock at night sometimes … I kind of have to fit in my
training when I can.
Dan: So, you have to work it around your job?
Kathy: Yeah, pretty much! And it makes for a
pretty hectic lifestyle, doing this all the time, and once in while you
get burnt out, and you can get sick more often. I feel if I could even
work part time, I believe it would be more beneficial for myself.
Dan: Do you think your skills would improve more
quickly if you could simply train full Time?
Kathy: Yes, maybe. I guess you could say I would
pick up things more quickly if I were not tired.
Dan: Do you know off hand if many of your
colleagues, other than perhaps Mia St. John, and Christy Martin, have
the luxury of being able to devote full time to boxing?
Kathy: None, other than
Regina Halmich. I know
she doesn't have to work, and is able to devote full time to boxing.
Dan: I'd like to get your opinion on some current
issues in Women's boxing.
Dan: What about two minute rounds vs three minute
Kathy: I personally like the two minute rounds. I
personally have never fought the three minute rounds, so I don't know
what it would be like. But, I train with the three minute rounds. I
personally like to train the three minute rounds, because when I get
used to the three minute rounds, when I fight the two minute rounds, it
seems to go by very quickly. There's more action in a two minute round.
Even in the amateurs, now, the men go two minute rounds.
Dan: Recently a couple of fighters have fought
male opponents, for publicity, money, or whatever … what do you think
Kathy: If they want to do it; go for it. I don't
think it's going to help women's boxing … I don't think it's going to
help … well, I can't say … well, I personally didn't think it would help
their career, but I guess for Margaret
(McGregor it did, because it got
her a sponsorship with "TKO" uh, but … how do you know … I
think for myself I would say…well, was this guy really a top person
for her to be fighting? For him you think of it like this, he takes a
fight with her and he loses it … so what? He really wasn't big into
boxing anyway … it's not really going to hurt his career, he's just
going to get more publicity out of it, getting on all these talk shows … so
for him, it didn't really hurt. So, did he really give her 100%? From
what I've been told by people who saw the fight, they say no, he didn't!
Um, so, I don't think it's something we should be doing. We're trying to
show people that we're really good in the sport and that we can handle
the sport ourselves, so why do we need to go and fight a man? We're
trying to develop the sport of WOMEN's boxing-not mixed boxing! We're
supposed to be fighting other women!
Dan: Yeah … I think I agree with you, if just for
Kathy: Yeah! There's no way that a guy her own
weight could not have hurt her.
Dan: With the same amount of experience.
Kathy: Yeah! There's no way. I mean I KNOW that.
Because I spar with the guys in my gym. The guys that are my weight and
heavier … if they wanted to hurt me, they could. I mean sometimes they
will hit me with a shot … not meaning to … and you feel it! So, I don't
agree with the fact that you fight a guy your same weight, you're gonna
beat him. No! If he's smaller than you; maybe yes … but with the same
size? Same weight? Same experience? There's no way!
Dan: So…Lucia Rijker is playing with fire.
Kathy: Oh … yeah…I think so ... if she fights
somebody her weight I definitely think so. And I don't know why she
would want to do it anyway. She had a good career as a female boxer, so
why? It's like you're making a spectacle of yourself.
Dan: Now … I want to ask this … uh, not just after
mentioning Lucia, but anybody … What about steroid use among women
boxers. Is steroid use a problem in the sport? Do you think there should
Kathy: Yeah. I see that was a big discussion on
one of the forums…ha! ha! …Um, I don't think it's a problem. If you
think there probably are some girls … and if they take performance
enhancing drugs, then, yes , you should be tested for them. I know the
girls I have fought, I don't think any of them have been taking
steroids. But, I know if you look at some of the girls, just from
appearance wise, you would guess that they ARE taking something, and if
they say they are not taking them… and people say they are … then, why
NOT get tested? Like … you know? What's the big deal to get tested if
you know you have nothing to hide? So, I don't know what there's a
problem … get tested for it ... unless you have something to hide! You
should not be worried about it.
Dan: Should it be before the fight; or after the
Kathy: Either, because I know it will stay in your
system long enough … but if you do it after the fight, the problem is if
you find out after the fight … I mean you could have already caused
damage. In the amateurs when we get tested it's after the fight. But,
after I read in one of the forums how a promoter (Vince Caruso) who had
the show for titles, said that he had all the fighters get tested right after? And
... when I fought for him, in August … whether or not he considered that a
real title or not, WE didn't get tested!
Dan: That was the Sturgis card in August?
Dan: So, you and Brenda (Burnside) were not
Kathy: I mean now, he might not consider it a
title fight, even though he promoted it as a title fight … we were
supposed to get a belt; and, I haven't even received my belt from him
Dan: Really? That's lame.
Kathy: Oh, Yeah!
Dan: And neither you or Brenda were tested?
before, or after, that fight?
Kathy: No. Not at all.
Kathy: He had the North Dakota commission to work
the fight; not the South Dakota commission, but they didn't have a
commission in South Dakota … so he brought in the North Dakota
Dan: There is something I always wanted to ask
Dan: Where did you get the nickname, "The
Kathy: Uh … actually, I don't use that one anymore …
Kathy: No. That one came form Tom Eaton … he was
managing me … he, uh, when I first turned professional. He came up with
that one because he thought I would be like the black shadow, no one
would know anything about me. Because, I was like all of a sudden, gonna
be like the black shadow. So, that's where he got the name
"shadow". But, when he left the picture, I decided to get rid
of that name. So, now, I have a name: "Shake em Down"! It was
brought up, actually, by the announcer in Texas when I fought there. And
my coach really liked it. (laughing) So, we kind of stuck with it.
Dan: Kathy "Shake Em Down" Williams!
Kathy: Yeah … (laughing) My coach wanted something
because of me being a police officer ... so, when he said "Shake em
Down"…Tony Loved it!
Dan: You know, I'm sure some fan would like to
know has your boxing ever helped you out as a police officer?
Kathy: No, it hasn't actually, to tell you the
truth. But a lot of people in Thunder Bay know who I am … as a
female police officer and a boxer … so I think even though I haven't had
to use it, just the people being aware of who I am, helps me. And, the
fact I don't have to use it.
Dan: So they are less apt to give you trouble?
Kathy: Exactly! And, I guess, more respect out of
some people. Because, being a female, of course, some guys aren't going
to respect female police officers. Old fashioned I guess you could say.
I find I get a little more respect from them, because of the fact that I
am a female police officer and a professional boxer.
Dan: Let's get into your pro career a little bit.
I'll just mention each fight, and if there's any comment you would like
to make, go ahead.
Dan: Your first fight was Jamie Blair. You
remember at fight? It was your first pro fight, although you certainly
were no stranger to the ring with thirty one amateur fights. But, were
you nervous at all?
Kathy: Yep! I was. Without the head gear for the
first time. That was the big thing for me. How would I feel without a
head gear? I found I liked it more, fighting without a head gear.. The
head gears always move around on me, and they block my vision, so I
liked not wearing the head gear. The fight itself, with her … many
people had told me it would be no contest with me … that she would be an
easy fight. If you looked at her … (laughing) ... you wouldn't get that
impression out of her; because she really had a mean looking face … so
I just went in there deciding I would just see how the fight went. Then,
after about the first ten or fifteen seconds I knew how the fight would
Dan: You were throwing the straighter punches, and
she was looping hers?
Kathy: Looping … and just as soon as you would hit
her she would … turn, and she didn't want any more of it pretty much.
Dan: But, at first blush, she looked tough?
Kathy: Oh yeah, she had a mean look, a gold tooth…the
whole persona, was very intimidating. And, I thought, maybe all these
people don't know what they were talking about … but they did..
Dan: So, you trust your trainer and manager to
match you up appropriately?
Kathy: Yeah, of course. Now, for your very first
fight, you know they are probably going to get you somebody that you
should be able to beat. But, having a lot of amateur experience they
didn't want to just get me a walkover fight. But the promoter, not
wanting to pay a lot of money … that was just somebody they were able to
Dan: I want to back track, just for a moment, to
follow up on this Trust issue with managers and trainers. What advice,
what would you tell a young woman who wants to be a fighter, how to
choose a coach or a trainer?
Kathy: My trainer, who is also my manager, he
trained when I was an amateur … so I have been with him my whole career … and
he um, I can be honest with him, and tell him what I think … and he can
be that way with me … that he has my best interests at heart ...
matching me up. When, I did have Tom Eaton, as my manager, there was
always conflict between me and him. Because, he didn't like the fact
that I voiced my opinion, I was honest. And, that caused some tension …
I got to the point where I told my trainer, Tony, I can't do this
anymore! because he's going to drive me crazy! So, you have to pick
somebody you feel comfortable with, that you trust. Someone that will be
honest with you, because I know it's hard when you can't trust anybody
in this business. But, with mine, I do trust him. So, now, I would say,
I would keep the coach and manager I had as an amateur. Many times when
you change, after turning professional, that's when you begin going
downhill. And, I figure they are the ones who got you where you are at. So,
why not keep them?
Dan: Your second bout was with Jayla Ortiz. That
was on ESPN. What do you remember that was significant about that fight?
Does anything come to mind?
Kathy: It was a good learning fight for me I
found. Like, I had her hurt in several occasions and … uh, going from
an amateur to a professional is a different style of boxing … mmm … amateur,
you're more a technical defensive fighter. You go the head a lot because
that's what scores your points. Being a professional, you have to fight
inside, outside, upstairs, downstairs. And, I found that out fighting Jayla, because I had her hurt on several occasions but, didn't finish
her … and I found from my amateur experience that I didn't have that
aggressive, "want to finish her off" attitude. And, I found
that out fighting Jayla. And, because she was a very smart fighter,
whenever I did get her hurt, she knew how to hold on to me, so I
couldn't hurt her more. So she could recover…
Dan: Your third fight was…
Kathy: Yvonne!!! (finishing the sentence)
Dan: Yes, a big step forward. How did you feel
before that one?
Kathy: I guess I may always say that's my best
fight! Personally, like achievement wise. That's the fight that I'm
always gonna remember right now. We were offered the fight pretty much
as an "opponent". Me and Tony felt though, that it was only my
third professional fight, and even if we lost … if I made a good
showing, that it would still help my career. So, we decided we would
take it. I had seen tapes of her in the past, and then kind of thought
that if I trained properly, I would have a good chance of beating her.
So, we took the fight. And, then, I was really focused. And, once I got
in there, I did everything that Tony told me to do, and I tried to be
more aggressive. And tried to finish her off. And, follow through with
my punches and combinations, and all that stuff seemed to work, and I
was really happy with the fight.
Dan: How many rounds was that fight? I believe you
had her down once?
Kathy: It was six rounds, and I did drop her
twice. I dropped her right at the end of the third. But, the referee
didn't count that as a knockdown. But, she did go down before the bell.
Then, I dropped her again In the fifth round.
Dan: No one has ever stopped Yvonne as a boxer.
And Kim Messer is the only one to stop her in Kickboxing. But, you
almost stopped her in boxing.
Kathy: Yeah! That's what someone told me. So, I
consider that as a big achievement for me. So, I was very happy with it.
But, I thought she didn't fight a very smart fight against me.
Dan: How so?
Kathy: She came out as an orthodox, against me,
and I still don't understand why she did that. Like, she's a southpaw.
And I had trained to fight a southpaw. And when she started the fight as
a southpaw, I think that gave me more confidence, when she came out as
an orthodox, because that's what I am used to … so that just gave me
Dan: The only explanation for a southpaw
switching, is because they are frustrated, which wasn't the case,
because she started the fight that way. So, apparently she was simply
hoping to confuse you.
Kathy: Maybe she was, I don't know. But the thing
is, after the first couple of rounds when she saw it wasn't helping her,
she still persisted. So, I personally don't think she fought a smart
fight…I don't know what her trainer was telling her in the corner, but
I don't think it was smart. Because she was fighting me as an
orthodox-and it obviously wasn't working…and she remained as an
orthodox for the entire fight.
Dan: Is Yvonne a heavy puncher?
Kathy: I don't think so.
Dan: Is there any thing you want to say about
Broxton, Soto, or Donyale Williams?
Kathy: The only thing I have to say about Tawayna
- she's tough. I was hitting her with hard punches. Both of my hands swelled up after the fight. I was
hitting her with hard punches, and she would take a step back then start
coming again. I give her credit, because she's not a boxer, and gas only
one win, but she has a lot of heart and courage. She just kept coming.
So, I give her that.
Dan: What about Donyale Williams of Ashtabula
Kathy: Nah! There's nothing to say about that!
Dan: Ok. Suzanne Riccio-Major?
Kathy: Um, that was a tough fight, because we are
both counter punchers.
Dan: Each of you were waiting on the other to make
the first move?
Kathy: Yes, but she was more the aggressor in the
fight. And I found the first couple of rounds, uh, the first couple of
rounds, it took me a while to get going … because I expected her to be a
counter puncher, and she came out the aggressor, so it took we a few
rounds to figure out her style. But, once I figured it out; I felt
comfortable. I got into my rhythm and then it wasn't a hard fight.
Dan: So, who was the most technically proficient
fighter you have fought, to date?
Kathy: I would say, Yvonne and Suzanne. But, I
would say Suzanne more. Yvonne was more of an aggressive fighter. A
straight one-two puncher. She didn't throw many combinations, whereas,
Suzanne did try to throw combinations.
Dan: So Yvonne is really more of a "Johnny
one note" ... a brawler?
Kathy: I would say so. In that fight you could see
it ... especially in that fight. Especially at the end of the fight when she
knew she was losing. She was just was just walking in, trying to throw
wild punches trying to catch me with something. Just coming in, straight
forward, straight forward, and then all I would do was catch her and
move. So, it was an easy fight for me.
Dan : Who hit you the hardest, of all your
Kathy: Who hit me the hardest? Uh, I would
probably say Brenda. Because I do remember in my fight with her, she did
hit me with one good punch ... and I felt it. The whole fight, though, she
wasn't hitting me hard, but she did catch me with one really good punch.
It was like Wow! I really felt that! But … that whole fight …
Dan: Yeah! I saw that fight, and it was…uh,
out of control…maybe I am overstating it?
Kathy: No, it really was. It was!. It was. There
was no control in that fight. It was a very tough fight to be in. And to
watch! It's funny, because my boyfriend was with me, and he was working
my corner, and he was freaking out. He said he wanted to get in the ring
and just punch her! (laughing) Just how dirty … it was … that was the
second fight of mine that he had seen live. He usually sees all my
fights on tape, and he just could not believe that fight…that the
referee was letting that go! All that stuff. Yeah … it was a very hard
fight to stay composed . And stay focused on what I had to do-and not
get caught up in fighting the way she was fighting … which I didn't want
to do! I didn't want to … because I was hoping the judges would see what
she was doing. And the fact that I was being a fighter and she wasn't
being a fighter. So, I was just trying to focus on what I knew how to
do, and just stay being a fighter, a boxer, and not get caught up in the
dirty stuff that she was doing.
Dan: Just exactly what was she doing?
Kathy: Well, in my eyes, and some people might not
find it was dirty, but, I found like uh ... the holding of my head, the
pulling my head down a lot, uh … that you don't usually let happen in a
fight. Like, when infighting, the person is holding your head down, and
still punching you … that happened several times. Then by me being a
southpaw, and her an orthodox, several times I'm gonna throw a punch and
I get my arm around her, the referee would say that I was holding her … whereas,
she was catching my arm as I was throwing it, and keeping it there, to
make it look like I was holding her … and I wasn't … so just a lot of
little things like that that was happening…
Dan: I noticed when your head was down, that
several times it appeared that you were wrestled to the canvas … It
was hard for me to tell from a tape just what happened, but I got the
feeling you were only passively resisting ... what was all that about?
Kathy: Yeah! Well, a lot of times she was
like … holding
me, and trying to pull me down … and instead of trying to fight it; I
just felt I was going to let her do it! At least that way, when I'm
down, the referee has to stop the action (laughing) whereas, if I try to
fight back, then, who knows what's gonna happen … so, a lot of times she
would start pulling my head down, and so, I would just let her, and then
she would just threw me down to the ground, and I even went through the
Dan: Yeah, well, I was just wondering what all
that was about…I noticed the ref gave you six or seven warnings, and
Brenda, I think got about eight or nine? What was he warning you about? I guess he was warning you for holding, from
what you previously said?
Kathy: Yeah! From the angle he was on … and he
kept cautioning me for it ... and I kept looking at him, as if to say, I'm
not doing anything! . But, it's hard for them to see when you have an
orthodox and a southpaw fighter…
Dan: And what was he cautioning Brenda about?
Kathy: I'm not positive, but I think it was for
holding my head down.
Dan: So … what did you learn from that fight? Do
you think you are mentally tougher or more composed because of that
Kathy: I think I'm ready for anything, and that
I'm mentally tougher, because I wasn't letting it get to me … I wasn't
losing my composure, not fighting her fight, staying in my game plan … I
was just doing what I had to do … And I think it taught me a lot too, in
that …that was my first ten round fight. You know, so how did I feel
going ten rounds…So, I think it taught me that I need to be a little
more prepared, um, a little more focused. Sand I think I was in that
fight, but sometimes you need to be that one step more…
Dan: Tell me about Jamilla Lawrence. You had two
fights with her. You lost the first and beat her in the rematch. Is that
Dan: Tell me about her as a fighter.
Kathy: She's a counter puncher too. She's a stay
on the outside fighter. I noticed that when she fought me, as well as
when she fought Eva Young, that she liked to throw that looping right
hand to try and catch you … um … like I think for the amount of fights
she's had…she's got a lot of technique and promise … but, I think she
just needs a little more experience…
Dan: Oh, I forgot to ask. , how do you feel about
a rematch with Burnside? Considering how the last fight went…did that
leave you with a sour taste, so to speak, as far as a rematch goes?
Kathy: Yes. Well, it's like I want to get my world
title shot … and I don't see how that's gonna get me that…
Dan: So, you don't see a rematch with Brenda as a
potential stepping stone?
Kathy: No, I don't. It's like fighting Jamilla a
second time is something I Had to do, because I lost to her … so I had
to avenge that loss. So that was somebody that I definitely did want to
fight again. Any other fighter that I have already fought, is not
something that I really want to do, because I don't find them stepping
stones ... unless it's somebody that's ranked really high… you know, like
that number one contender at that time or something. And if beating
them would get me my title shot. Otherwise, I don't really look
forward to fighting anybody I have already fought.
Dan: Would you like to fight Daisy Lang?
Kathy: Oh, definitely!
Dan: Well, she's had two easy title defenses in a
row, with Gisella Papp and then Sonia Pereira.
Kathy: Yeah ... her next one is supposed to be
against one of the top people.
Dan: So, you think the WIBF will actually require
her to fight a tough contender at last?
Kathy: I'm hoping (laughs) I won't say for sure…I'm
Dan: I'm not optimistic, because of the way
they pander to Halmich. But, you're definitely hoping for a match with
Kathy: Yes! I think I could beat her. And I
started training when I was over there, and she didn't impress me too
much. So, I think I could beat her.
Dan: Have you ever fought in Europe?
Kathy: As an amateur I did. I fought in Sweden.
And, then I was in Germany, in September training.
Dan: How are you ranked with the WIBF?
Kathy: I think I am number two, because they don't
have Margaret ranked, because she has a title…so, since Margaret has
the intercontinental title, I believe I am ranked either one or two.
Dan: Well, if you are ranked number one or two;
there aren't many stepping stones…but you need to stay busy.
Kathy: Yeah…(laughing) it's frustrating, bit I
have stayed busy. I fought eight times last year, so I should have had
my shot, I think.
Dan: What about fighting your fellow Canadian,
Kathy: Um, I would fight her if the price is
right. I guess a lot of people want this fight to happen, and my
thinking is, if you want this fight to happen between two Canadians for
a title, then you should be paying the money for it. That's my thinking.
If it happens or if it never happens, I just wish her the best for her
career, and me for my career - and, I know there are other fighters she
also wants to fight. I'm not going to duck her, or her me - if it happens,
it just happens. But, I'm not just going to sit and wait for it to
happen. I have to keep myself busy.
Dan: Do you have any prospects for fights that you
can share right now?
Kathy: Well, there's supposed to be a show,
possibly in Windsor, I'm fighting on, in March, and uh, one possibly in
January in Fargo, North Dakota.
Dan: What about Bridgett Riley? Have you ever
thought about a fight with her?
Kathy: Oh, I'd fight her, yeah! We were offered a
fight with her once, but they offered it a week before ... not even!
Kathy: Yeah! It was when she ended up fighting
Dan: So you didn't have any time to prepare for
Kathy: No! And that was when I had first come back
from Germany, and I hadn't been training for a little while, when I
first came back…,,my coach had given me some time off … So … a one
week last minute thing, is something we don't take.
Dan: That's wise. No one who is serious about
their career is going to seriously consider an offer like that, and
those making the offer know it. It just gives them cover, before they
schedule a weaker opponent.
They can then say: " I tried fighters
"X", "Y", and "Z" ; and, they all turned
me down !" So, I was forced to fight this nobody." But, still
some people are gullible enough to swallow it.
Kathy: Oh Definitely! If you're fighting
a nobody, then yeah! But, if you're fighting somebody who's up their in
the rankings, with good boxing skills, you need a reasonable time to get
ready and prepare for them. One week is just not long enough. Yeah, my
coach told them no immediately, but he just told me about it so I would
know about it. Because, even though they may not have been preparing
for me specifically, they were no doubt, preparing for a tough fight,
whereas, I had been off for a while, and not training for a fight. And
no, I don't think it's good for the person getting the last minute call
to take the fight.
Dan: But, it would be an interesting contrast of
styles, with you, an outside fighter, and her an infighter. Yvonne,
unfortunately, made the mistake, as usual, of trying to slug it out with
Kathy: Yeah! I saw that fight. Yvonne didn't fight
her well either.
Dan: Is there anyone else, you would like to fight
other than Daisy Lang?
Kathy: No, I'm really not that picky, even
Margaret. I mean we were never actually offered that fight in writing.
Oh, there's been talk, but nothing concrete in writing. You know, like
this is how much, when, and where. We've never been given that kind of
Dan: So, you have never refused a fight with her?
Kathy: No, I never have. My coach would take that
fight, if the money was right…. He would take a fight with pretty much
anybody! My coach knows we can't be picky, if we want to get a title
shot. We have to keep active and fight the best people out there.
Dan: Is there anything in closing you would like
to say to the fans who visit WBAN? Anything you would like for them to
Kathy: I would just like to thank them for the
support that they have given me. They have sent me a lot of e-mails, and
that's really inspirational. There are some young women look up to me,
and I really appreciate that, and, I hope they will continue writing me,
and that if they want to get into boxing, be safe when they are in the
ring, and try the amateur boxing first. Because, it would definitely be
the best for their career in the long run.
Dan: Well , thank you very much for your time.
Kathy: Oh, thank you very much!
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