SUE TL FOX - NOV. 11, 2000
Stone was interviewed at the Lucky Eagle Casino in Rochester, Washington.
She was to fight Patricia Minton, but Minton was a no show. Stone did not
get to fight..."
TL Fox: When were you contacted by Benny Georgina to fight at the
Lucky Eagle Casino on today's card?
Stone: Even before the last card, six weeks ago, he had been trying to
get me a fight with Kelly Whaley but it fell through and several others
fighters fell through.
TL Fox: So did you train hard for this fight?
Stone: I trained really hard for this fight. There was talk of getting me
a title fight eventually, and so I was working toward that.
TL Fox: So when did you find out your opponent was a "No
Show?" What was your first reaction when you found out?
Stone: I was initially very angry about that.
TL Fox: You say that you had to get a full time job, so between
working full time and training I assume you have been working extremely
Stone: All I do is sleep, eat and train, 24 hours a day that is all I
TL Fox: So who told you that your opponent was a "no
show" this morning?
Stone: I called Benny when I checked into the hotel last night (Nov.
10) and called him and told him that I was checked in. I asked if he
wanted me to come down and weigh in, which is what I have done before. He
told me no and to call him in the morning. I felt like something was a
little bit fishy, but disregarded it. I ended up calling Benny this
morning before the weigh-in and asked him about the weigh-in and that was
when he told me, "No, honey we have some bad news – that girl did
not show up at the airport." It takes a lot to get ready for a
fight---- emotionally, mentally, getting everything organized taking
everything to the dry cleaners, attending to the little things, getting my
robe cleaned. Picking out a new outfit, talking to the press and all the
people, and selling the tickets, and making the arrangements. There is so
much that goes into a fight, than just showing up. The fight is just the
last piece of it actually to get in the ring. The fight is all that
happens before you get here. Showing up and getting in the ring is the
easy part. Once you get in the ring it is all instinct and it just happens
and it's just eight minutes. You know I have eight weeks to get ready for
a fight, there's hours of time and training and everything else that goes
into it. And now I have to face all my fans that bought tickets, they are
expecting to see me fight and they are not going to see it. I need to call
people now, and tell them it is their choice to come out or not.
TL Fox: So with the fact that you come here your ready to weigh
in, your ready to do it tonight, how does that make you feel as a woman
Stone: It makes me want to quit. Like it's not worth it. And it makes
me feel like I should have stayed an amateur. Because you show up and they
show up. It's not about your great winning record, perfect winning record
and all that crap—it's about competition. That is the one thing I find
that I don't like about professional boxing, especially about women's
boxing, it's not about the record, not about the competition. And the
Amateur fighting was great. You just show up and you fight the best. You
widdle it down until you are fighting the best, and then if you win you
know you are the best. I'm a very competitive person, and I love this
TL Fox: Does it feel like an uphill battle in women's boxing?
Because of the trouble getting matches, and when you do get matches, then
you have a no show, or you find you have a match and the person won't
follow through with the match?
Stone: It's just feels like it's never going to happen. It is getting
to a point that I don't get excited about my fights anymore, I don't get
motivated. It's hard to get up and go running, it's hard to show up on the
days to the gym on the days I want to show up because there feels like
there is no pay off at the end. When I was an amateur, there were fights
when the winter time came, you know every weekend there were fights, there
were always fights, you stay in shape and stay ready to compete. It's not
that way in pros, it has been six months....
TL Fox: I know I was wondering what was going on, and thought
that you may have quit boxing.
Stone: No. I have been scheduled on the last 2 or 3 cards that he has
had here, and he hasn't been able to put anything together. I was
scheduled to fight Kelly Whaley, and she supposedly had gotten pneumonia.
Then I was suppose to fight another girl, and apparently she got in a
fight with her girlfriend and went on a drunk binge and couldn't show up.
He then tried to get Marsha Valley, and she couldn't make the weight. I'm
like thinking, "Does anyone out there want to fight?" He tried
to get me with Summer DeLeon. I have been wanting to fight since we have
both been in amateurs. I don't know why some fighters bother to take a
fight if they don't plan to show up. You know, just don't put the rest of
us through this, if you (other women boxers) think you are going to
chicken out, don't take the fight.
TL Fox: I know what you are going through-- getting ready for a
Stone: It is a huge, HUGE let down. To get ready, pump myself up.
Getting mentally prepared. It makes it harder to get the in the ring next
time. It is hard to stay motivated when the fights keep falling through.
Like I said, I understand the fear, not wanting to follow through, but
just don't put it out there in the first place. Give the promoter 3-4 days
to get another opponent. Here I am, I'm sick. I have caught a cold three
days ago, I'm dealing with all this—I'm still here. I didn't back out,
because I was afraid I was going to hack out in the ring. I would have
fought with a broken arm, I would fight with one hand. This is why I do
it. I do it because I love it Because I WANT to fight. I don't do it
because I want to stay in the gym and train—that's the hard part. I love
to fight, I love the crowd. I like to put on my shiny shorts and do my
thing. I love the competition, and the best fights were when I didn't know
if I won it or not, but I would go back to my corner and say, damn that
was ....... fun. That was great. When I lose, I really don't care. You
know, the crowd cares, and my coaches care. But I don't really care about
the winning and losing, I really love to fight.
TL Fox: Let's talk about Laila Ali. I remember when we spoke
before you said that you would like to have her on your agenda for
fighting, any progress in that department?
Stone: No, and her fiancée (Johnny McClain is now Ali's husband) , saw
me sparring down in Hollywood, at the Wild Card in about August. I was
sparring with Danielle Doobenman. Danielle is actually the one who got me
into boxing. After I sparred Danielle, he asked who else I had
fought. I told him Marsha Valley, Stacey Taylor. I asked
him if there was any chance of me getting a fight with Laila. He shook his
head no. I knew that was the answer so I just walked away from him.
TL Fox: What do you think of the daughters with famous boxing
legends in the sport.
Stone: I do get upset about the daughters, but the flip side of the
good is people are talking about the daughters. They are talking about
women's boxing, people are being forced to watch it, because the daughters
are on the cards. And even if they are saying negative things about them,
the flip side of that is they have to know in their mind that there are
good female boxers out there. I think it is more household conversation to
talk about women's boxing, now that the daughters are in it.
TL Fox: So you are looking at it as a positive?
Stone: Right, I'm not going to cash in on them. I may though in the
long run cash in on them bringing women's boxing into the limelight. They
may not be promoting women's boxing, they're promoting themselves. If they
had wanted to promote women's boxing, they would have gone amateur. But
they are not promoting anybody but themselves, but that's fine, because I
am going to find a way to ride in on their coat tails and find a way for
it to work for me. People see them and then they say, "Dakota could
have beat her". And that's what they always say, and so that's
bringing me up. Regardless of whether I ever fight Ali, people know that I
could beat her. So it is really building my image and giving me strength.
SHOW FOR DAKOTA STONE IN ROCHESTER, WASHINGTON
So what DOES hurt women’s
boxing, beside fighters ducking each other, or fighting tomato
cans? You got it…. NO SHOWS…..
I left early this morning to cover the
Dakota Stone / Patricia Minton four-rounder in Rochester,
Washington, about an hour and one half drive from where I
live. I wanted to make sure that I could cover this fight, so
I took Friday off from work to insure that I would not get
called in for overtime…. That is one of the downsides of
being a cop… you work all kinds of crazy hours.
I was looking forward to covering this
fight as I try to cover any and everything on women’s
boxing, especially if the fight is within driving distance. I
have been asked by many how I can cover so many fights and be
so many places… some think I do this full time. I don’t. I
use my vacation time, holiday time, and days off to cover
boxing---most of the time I support this coverage with my own
My life right now is pretty much 24-7 in
not only providing the latest in the sport, but hopefully the
best and most indepth. So you see…. When I try to give
boxing fans what they want, and that is great "behind the
Scenes" coverage… it gets just a little under my skin
to see a fighter not show up.
I arrived at the weigh-in a half hour
before it was to begin. The first person I saw was Patricia
Minton’s manager, Greg Aldred. I asked him where Patricia
was, and after Greg gave a big sigh, he told me that he
was embarrassed to say that "Pat" was a no-show. I
asked Greg what happened, and he said to me that we could sit
down and talk. (I was feeling a scoop coming on any minute!)
We found a comfortable place to sit and
talk. Greg told me that Pat contacted him about four
months ago, and that she had to jump through a lot of hoops to
get licensed in The state of Texas. Pat being 39 years old,
she had to have a lot of medical testing in order to
Greg said that about a month ago, he
contacted the Lucky Eagle Casino, and was able to get
Pat a shot at coming to the Lucky Eagle, to not only have a
great opportunity to fight Stone, but that he was sure that
WBAN would be there to get her the exposure that she needed.
He said that the weight agreement on the matchup with Stone
was 159, plus one pound.
Greg said that on November 10, he
made his journey to the State of Washington. Greg who lives in
Utah, first drove by car to Las Vegas, Nevada, which is about
an hour and one half from where he lives. He then flew from
Las Vegas, Nevada, to Salt Lake City, Utah, and then to
Portland, Oregon--final destination: Portland
International Airport (PDX).
Greg, not thinking for one minute that
Pat was "NOT" coming, waited for her flight to
arrive from El Paso, Texas. He was excited about her fighting
and waited anxiously for her to deplane the aircraft. When the
last passenger got off the jetway, Greg thought that maybe Pat
changed the flight plans to include her friend Irma to also
come to Washington. After two hours of frustration and a
series of unanswered phone calls he made to Pat, he found out
that Pat had canceled her flight.
Greg came to Rochester, Washington, and
had to tell the promoter that his fighter was not coming. And
basically the promoter lost out too, financially speaking.
In the meantime, Greg’s wife continued
to call Pat, but there were no return calls.
Greg went to his hotel room that the promoter provided, and
did not hear a thing from Pat, until today, November 11, at
about 9:15 am in the morning. No, it was not Pat who called.
It was her friend, Irma. Irma told Greg that Pat was not
coming because Irma’s grandmother passed away.
What I found a bit odd is that Pat did
not make the "one hour and 45 minute before weigh-in
phone call." Irma made the phone call… Irma’s
relative is the one that passed on. In fact, Greg has yet to
have spoken to Pat since she canceled her flight and fight.
Another thing, is if Pat could not make it, why not some
forewarning, like even a day could have made a difference in
finding a replacement fighter for Stone. She knew that Greg
was in Washington since yesterday, and not even a
"courtesy" call was made….I guess only Pat knows
for sure. . . . ..
I interviewed Dakota Stone at the
weigh-in today and that interview will be posted soon.
Dakota talks about her feelings about this last minute
"ditch" no show, and her response from Johnny
McClain, when she asked him about fighting Laila Ali.
She talks about her frustration of being a pro and not getting
fights, and wishing she had stayed in the amateurs!
I also met up with Mike Morton, and his
past World-class boxer from the past, Ray Lampkin. (Lampkin is
the fighter that fought Roberto Duran in Panama and was
seriously injured in the 1970's.) I knew Morton
when he was managing Lampkin and he was also one of the boxing
managers that had wanted to manage me when I was
boxing. He told me that if I had signed with him
in the past that I would have made a lot of money..... hmmm...
I wonder about that! Reporting from Rochester.... be on the
lookout "BOLO" for my behind the scenes report
tomorrow with photos!
Sue TL Fox 11/11/00
fight between Dakota Stone, a local from Seattle, and Ann Wolfe, from
Waco, Texas, was one of the most exciting bouts on the card!
Stone was making her pro
debut, after having earned a 12-1 amateur record and winning the 1999
national junior middleweight championship, just losing one amateur
bout. Come to find out, her only loss was to none other than Ann
Ann Wolfe, a 28-year old,
5'9", 155-pounder, with two little girls, was very impressive with
her power and skills. Wolfe was a very subdue fighter when interviewing
her, and she said that, "I respect any woman who gets in the ring to
fight." Wolfe said that she would fight anybody, anytime, and
is anxious to fight again.
Wolfe, who knocked Stone
down with a clear right hand, won by a Unanimous Decision, and is
now 2-0. She had her pro debut over a year ago, in September of
1998. Stone fell to 0-1. These are definitely
going to be two up and coming fighters to look out for!
All of the male bouts were
very well matched and there were some close calls in a couple of
them. The main event, Martin O'Malley, finished his opponent, Tito
Tovar off in the 4th round by a TKO. O'Malley remains undefeated at
now 11-0, with 10 KO's.
In the mixed match, between
Margaret MacGregor vs. Loi Chow, it was well-matched as far as skill level
with MacGregor appearing to be more seasoned and in better physical
condition. The crowd was very "hyped" about this
fight, and is probably the reason why the arena was sold out at over 2,700
tickets. Although I don't believe that mix-matches will be a
positive for women's boxing, I was relieved to see that neither fighter
was capable of hurting each other.